Making your own PE meds
Ok, so...to makes things simple, I've looked into this PE med called Deferol, seems to get good reviews and seems to work, so I'm willing to give it go. HOWEVER, I'm not about to get it mailed to my house because well, even though they have "discrete" mailing, I live at home with Mom and Dad (I'm 22), so you do the math.
I've looked at the ingredients to Deferol, and the main ones are Pyrodoxine HCL 50mg, and Folic Acid .4mg. They also have a proprietary blend that includes Griffonia Seed Extract and Passiflora Extract among other things.
My question is can I buy these ingredients separately and have them have the same effect. After doing my research, Pyrodoxine HCL can be had as Vitamin B-6, and Folic Acid you can just purchase in pill form. On top of that, I've also found this supp called 5-HTP by Natrol which is basically a 50mg dose of 5-Hydroxytryptophan (which simply stated, is the Griffonia Extract).
I fear this has become long winded, but I was wondering, if I purchase, and stack this three items (matching the dosages to that of the Deferol of course) is it safe to say they will have the same effect as the Deferol, or am I missing something?
P.S. not to take away any business from the makers of Deferol or any similar products, but if this is an acceptable substitute another perk of being able to purchase your solution even more discretely because they jars are standard vitamin jars, but you save quite a bit of money...50% or more in comparison.
yankees123 04/24/2007
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Once again, it would be helpful if a homeopathic or naturopathic physician were around. I shall respond from the perspective of an allotpathic physician (common, garden variety M.D.).
Look at this from different angles. You say it gets "good reviews." The problem is that it gets reviews and testimonials but there are no studies showing effectiveness. Those few who testify may be getting a placebo effect or got talking to their wives about "why?" and solved other problems. Like so much herbal medicine, it is taken more on faith than on science. Looking at the ingredients and my homeopathic pharmacopeia, it appears that this will have more effect on anxiety (performance anxiety?) than anything else. I question whether it has any real effect.
Now, you are proposing to play pharmacist and mix up your own. Possible. But ..... You do not know how the various ingredients were individually processed and how they were blended together. Each of these steps has an effect on the efficacy of the final potion. What are you proposing to bind them? Some binders will affect the speed of absorption. If you are proposing to take these supplements as individual capsules or tablets, will this affect the way the herbs and chemicals potentiate - because some of these ingredients are replicative. The 5-HTP you cite is a suppository which goes in one end of you and the rest go in the other end. The liver has a role in digesting oral medications (that is the reason the ring has a lower hormone dosage than the pill) while absorption through the rctal walls bypasses the liver. Will this affect things?
My guess is that the final effect will be exactly the same - nothing. What I am saying is that there is no real evidence that the stuff works in the first place and, second, there is more to mixing your own than taking a bunch of pills.
Brandye
First off, let me so wow, thank you for a much more indepth answer than I was expecting. In regards to the 5-HTP being a suppository, I am certain it is not. You got me very nervous for a second, because I had already taken one just for it's claimed serotonin boosting effects, orally. I literally JUST checked, and rechecked, and then checked again, and the bottle specifically states it is a dietary supplement to be taken with a meal, and it says nothing about it going in the "other end".
Secondly, when you mentioned binders I got a little confused. The idea that I got, is that since these "binders" (something I know nothing about) won't be present in my home made version, it won't have the same effect because each supplement will absorb at a different rate, and they need to react off of each other to get the effect? Do I have this right, or am I missing something?
For the record, I have been regularly doing Keegels, as well as this other exercise I read about on a website regarding Tantra. The site name escapes me at the moment, but the short version of the exercise is to stand on your tip toes, and clench your buttocks and push as if having a bowl movement. Not sure of the purpose, or if I'm even doing it right for that matter. Neither has seemed to have any effect, and I've been using each exercise regularly for the better part of a week to a week and a half.
Again, thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it.
yankees123
My opinion: forget it.
There are some good supplements that actually do what they claim. Any that have been promising have been properly tested and results are available. This stuff is NOT in that category.
Brandye
Care to name drop a few? Deferol only seems to be available via mail order. Looking to go pick up at a store, and not looking for creams or the like.
yankees123
If you are 22 and having issues where you feel you need medications, you should be seeing a doctor. Not ordering meds from home or trying to prepare them! This is dangerous for the many reasons stated though this entire post. Moreover, if you require meds for PE or have symptoms of PE; don't you feel at the age of 22 you should find the REASON for it occurring rather then attempting to remedy the symptoms with a medication? According to the Mayo Clinic "In some men PE is related to erectile dysfunction". The point? You should discuss this with your physician to determine what is happening and why. Then establish a treatment plan of either natural therapies or pharmaceutical.
sera300
In response to asaking me to name a few, none are in the category of Ed or PE drugs. One supplement I have most of my aging patients on is Glucosamine/Chondroitin for joints. Orthopods have tested this and it does help with arthritic patients taken in addition to ani-inflammatories. Similarly, aging prostates do benefit from Saw Palmetto extract in addition (sometimes in place of) to the normal drugs for enlarged prostates. This latter is an example of problems doing your own medicating: Saw Palmetto, itself, is ground up leaves and can interfere with many blood medications (rich in vitamin K) and you never really know the potency of the capsules. The extract is derived from the roots and is available in known doses.
Most of the supplements or herbals (in fact all I know of) sold for sexual enhancement are questionable in their efficacy.
Brandye
Again thank you for all your replies...
In regards to Sera300's response:
My current girlfriend is only the second person I've had sex with. So I feel that cancels out my age. The first was a close friend that really happened (barely) because of alcohol and bad judgement. That's neither here nor there.
Literally speaking, even though I don't have an exact tally, I think I've actually had intercourse 6 times tops. Perhaps being so new to it is part of my problem. There is a large amount of anticipation and nervousness that still occurs before hand.
Not that it is really relevant, but I have no problem lasting a decent amount of time when I receive oral from my girlfriend now, if I didn't have a PE problem, should I be expect to last longer/shorter/ or equal oral vs. intercourse?
sera300
Okay, understood. I took it as a 22 y/o w/a few years behind him sexually, having PE issues. I'd give it time and lots of practice, especially if you are lasting during oral. It could be nerves or too much excitement during intercourse. Don't fiddle with the meds/supplements just give yourself time! Try Doc's recommendation, and have fun! :)
sera300